Has Trump finally been trumped?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/donald-trump-legal-fight-windfarm

For me, this is the really interesting part of the article ...

Trump is also in conflict with several of his most prominent supporters over the windfarm scheme, known as the European Offshore Wind Deployment Centre. The EOWDC project involves Aberdeen Renewable Energy Group, a publicly-funded agency part controlled by Aberdeenshire council, which approved Trump's resort, as well as Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen, which last year gave the American tycoon an honorary degree, and the Wood Group, founded by the oil services magnate Sir Ian Wood, a cheerleader for Trump's resort.

My recollection is that when Trump's plans were still on the table, he had been given assurances there would be no off-shore wind farm polluting his view (wee Eck always could talk a good game!). Bit of an empty threat anyway given Trump declared last year there wasn't a market for his housing estate.

A case of ... oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!

Doon the Water wrote:Looks like they have made a decent course. They must have transplanted loads of marran grass.
Wonder if they tried it on Trumps heid?

You know there are a lot of people going on about Trump and the like.

What's wrong with kicking out a bunch of tax dodging hunter-gatherer hippy wannabe types from their hovels to build something more appropriate anyway?

Chances are they're gonna peg it from a dodgy mushroom sooner or later anyway.

super_realist wrote:Gael, you are like a broken record. The fact is that most service industry jobs do go to cheap foreign labour these days . So what.
Aberdeen probably has a higher level of skilled labour than any city in the UK outside London, of course foreign labour is going to make up a sizeable proportion, but a job is a job and it's all money for the treasury in taxes no matter where the person comes from.

Aberdonians, gripy?

So what? It wasn't so long ago that folk like you were preaching about how this project would bring jobs to the local indigenous population. As for sounding like a broken record, this is rich coming from someone who, almost on a daily basis, never misses an opportunity to slag off the Old Course. I've raised this subject because, at this moment in time, it happens to be topical ... as in, being covered by the media. If you don't like it then no-one is forcing to read let alone respond to this thread.

It will provide plenty jobs for the local indigenous population, however you seem to begrudge the fact that many service industry positions these days are taken by foreign workers. There is more to a golf resort than serving drinks, waiting tables and making beds.

LJ
The main objector was more hilly billy than hippy.

Ive never liked the concept of CPO's. Look at how many will be dished out for the new high speed train link which will know doubt turn out to be a complete white elephant. They could always try just running a few more trains on the line first and maybe emplying some staff who arent mentally retarded.
People have different views on home ownership, some might not see it as that big a deal, to others it could seem like the end of the world.
Having said all of that as far as the Falklands residents are concerned Id tell them they have two options, firstly they can relocate to some similar bleak Scottish Island where they probably wont notice the difference or secondly they can fight the Argies themselvesif they want to stay.

I'm astonished that the pikey who wouldn't take Trumps money wanted to remain in the hovel he was living in. Talk about cutting his nose off to spite off his face.

Doon the Water wrote:LJ
The main objector was more hilly billy than hippy.

They all have trouble with soap and water so I've not really bothered with different catagories.

Only difference is they peg it from excess moonshine rather than a dodgy mushroom really.

Diggers ... we have to hang on to the Falklands. It's our one remaining bit of the British Empire!

I don't think the argies will be invading anytime soon as they're more likely to get a warmer welcome this time. And, should oil be found down there, then the brits certainly won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

I think what is more serious for the islanders is the trading aspect of their current situation.

diggers wrote:Having said all of that as far as the Falklands residents are concerned Id tell them they have two options, firstly they can relocate to some similar bleak Scottish Island where they probably wont notice the difference or secondly they can fight the Argies themselvesif they want to stay.

Damn. Is the Falklands War being revived? If so, it's a good excuse to relocate the troops that lost their jobs in Iraq, Afghanistan and North Africa and it can only be good for the economy. It'll reactivate the U.S. military folk to provide surveillance support and allow the officers to justify a jump in rank. It also brings hope of future job placement for today's youth who are putting in overtime hours to bring their video war game talents to another level.

And then, who isn't amused by the "Keystone Cop" efforts by the Argentinian government and military. Plenty of comedians made a year's worth of wages from the last engagement 30 years ago.

P.S. In order not to hijack the post, Donald Trump might consider a signature course at Trump National Falkland Islands. Seems like he'd only have one course to compete with: http://www.falklandislands.com/contents/view/21

D4S ... the fairways are certainly not too narrow ... just too lumpy!

The Falklands are an essential and relevant part of the United Kingdom due to more than the statements you make. It is also a contributing factor in the Antartic occupation and research programmes.

We have still got Gibraltar Gael. That should do us fine.
The trading issues have been going on for a while now, its all just hassle that we could do without as far as Im concerned. Not worth the effort, I think they mainly keep it so the all the helecopter boys get to play flying around games in their toys.

LondonJonnyO wrote:The Falklands are an essential and relevant part of the United Kingdom due to more than the statements you make. It is also a contributing factor in the Antartic occupation and research programmes.

Cods

Steady Diggers.

Funny how people are so defensive about a desolate spit of land in Aberdeenshire, but so dismissive about a desolate spit of land in the South Atlantic.

diggers wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:The Falklands are an essential and relevant part of the United Kingdom due to more than the statements you make. It is also a contributing factor in the Antartic occupation and research programmes.

Cods

Perhaps. But that's what the boys in charge will say.

super_realist wrote:Steady Diggers.

Funny how people are so defensive about a desolate spit of land in Aberdeenshire, but so dismissive about a desolate spit of land in the South Atlantic.

SR. Penguins are more attractive than the windoleen drinking occupants of trumps land.

super_realist wrote:Steady Diggers.

Funny how people are so defensive about a desolate spit of land in Aberdeenshire, but so dismissive about a desolate spit of land in the South Atlantic.

Why is it funny. Ive been to Aberdeen and will probably go again. Im never nor are likely to visit the Malvinas.

I'm sure if Trump was invading The Falklands you'd probably do your nut.

Are we in a time warp
Record unempolyment and a Falklands war looming
Or
Is it just a Tory thing.

LondonJonnyO wrote:

diggers wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:The Falklands are an essential and relevant part of the United Kingdom due to more than the statements you make. It is also a contributing factor in the Antartic occupation and research programmes.

Cods

Perhaps. But that's what the boys in charge will say.

I very much doubt the "boys in charge" would ever use the word "occupation" to describe the Antarctic".

OH God, I thought we'd left the Socialist Worker behind with Mac. The Falklands have never belonged to Argentina.

gaelgowfer wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:

diggers wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:The Falklands are an essential and relevant part of the United Kingdom due to more than the statements you make. It is also a contributing factor in the Antartic occupation and research programmes.

Cods

Perhaps. But that's what the boys in charge will say.

I very much doubt the "boys in charge" would ever use the word "occupation" to describe the Antarctic".

Wait until they find oil or something down there and everyone fights to have that particular article revoked.

Doon the Water wrote:Are we in a time warp
Record unempolyment and a Falklands war looming
Or
Is it just a Tory thing.

More of an argie thing Doon. They want our oil!

super_realist wrote:I don't even think it looks that narrow, i'm sure it's just the perspective and people assuming a par three with no fairway and an access path is actually a par four where you are expected to land on a fairway four foot wide.

I agree some par 3's that are islands in the dunes are playable, but I was commenting on the width of some of the par 4s and par 5s from the back or middle tees, especially when the wind is up. Impossible to tell for sure until you play it a few times but I promise you some are very narrow with no bail outs.

As discussed on the other site it's impossible to get a new course spot on first time round and hitting the fairways looks okey from the forward tees so players playing a bounce game can always select an easier tee.

super_realist wrote:OH God, I thought we'd left the Socialist Worker behind with Mac. The Falklands have never belonged to Argentina.

I dont really care, I just dont want to waste any money fighting over a load of sheep shaggers.

gaelgowfer wrote:

Doon the Water wrote:Are we in a time warp
Record unempolyment and a Falklands war looming
Or
Is it just a Tory thing.

More of an argie thing Doon. They want our oil!

Ahem. The scottish lot want out of the UK. So that would be English oil if you don't mind.

That's exactly it Scottie. He's intending it to be one of the worlds greatest courses. Therefore it's unlikely to be suitable for everyone.

LJ

Only 30% want oot.

Doon the Water wrote:LJ

Only 30% want oot.

Haggis eating, tartan rug waving numpties

LondonJonnyO wrote:

gaelgowfer wrote:

Doon the Water wrote:Are we in a time warp
Record unempolyment and a Falklands war looming
Or
Is it just a Tory thing.

More of an argie thing Doon. They want our oil!

Ahem. The scottish lot want out of the UK. So that would be English oil if you don't mind.

Correction LJ. Yon shyster, wee Eck and wee Eck alone wants us out of the union. Anyway, your lot have been stealing our oil for decades. Besides which, in what would seem to be a perverse turn of events, the tories seem to be fighting tooth and nail to keep us in. (Thatcher would be spinning in her grave if she wisnae still alive!) I think youse lot need us more than you think. England has precious few resources of its own.

It's not Scottish Oil Gael, it's British oil. Besides, North Sea oil and Gas also comes from English fields.

We need England far more than they need us.

gaelgowfer wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:

gaelgowfer wrote:

Doon the Water wrote:Are we in a time warp
Record unempolyment and a Falklands war looming
Or
Is it just a Tory thing.

More of an argie thing Doon. They want our oil!

Ahem. The scottish lot want out of the UK. So that would be English oil if you don't mind.

Correction LJ. Yon shyster, wee Eck and wee Eck alone wants us out of the union. Anyway, your lot have been stealing our oil for decades. Besides which, in what would seem to be a perverse turn of events, the tories seem to be fighting tooth and nail to keep us in. (Thatcher would be spinning in her grave if she wisnae still alive!) I think youse lot need us more than you think. England has precious few resources of its own.

Sorry. The statute of limitations has long since expired in relation to us nicking your oil.

What's yours is ours and what's ours is ours. LONG LIVE IMPERIALISM!

Now... anyone up for a trip to Rhodesia?

Oh how Mugabe must be laughing at europe now.

He's probably laughing more at Scotland to be honest, as Salmond is doing a good Mugabe impersonation.

The guy is 87 now, he must be due to cark it soon. I hope its not long and I hope its very painful when it happens.

Are you talking about salmonds weight in stone or mugabes age diggers?

We all said that Trump would not get the go ahead to build his course "but he did" the same ones are now saying that Salmond wont get independence, "watch this space"

So to me Trump and Salmond must have something going for them, lets hope its heart attack alley in the very near future

I dunno OPW. I thought he'd always get his way. Whether legally, with bribes, or just by 'sending the boys round to sort out the dissenters'.

I still don't see it as a terrible thing.

As for independence. Let em have it. But... I would want an accounting of the infrastructure paid for by the south in the last few years and an instant repayment back to the English.

I see that someone is suggesting an English parliament now, aboot time.

That West Lothian question was getting too difficult to answer.

To be honest DTW does it really make a difference if there is an English parliament?

Should this devolution thing go much further it will happen more or less by default anyway.

Although I must admit that his arguments are a bit weak. RBS for example. Should he want that to become the "scottish bank" and almost by association the scottish regulator I am going to want his treasury (such as it is) to refund the british treasury for the cost of the bailout (at the amount paid to them rather than the share price) and also some interest in terms of the amount of time and effort spent by the UK as a whole. That will bankrupt his "nation" before it even starts. And I can't see many other people being happy to fund this initial cost of setup for an independent scotland either north or south of the wall.

And if it does happen... I want working visas for all the scottish immigrants down here!

"I want working visas for all the scottish immigrants down here!."

Thats a difficult one, now take me for example, born and raised in Scotland, when I was 29 I moved south, with my wife and 2 young daughters, 3rd daughter born in England, all 3 are now married to English men and all have kids of their own.

Are me and my wife entitled to vote in the referendum???
Are my 2 daughters born north of the border entitled to vote??


Or as you are suggesting 4 of us needs visa's to continue to live in England??

Would be more cost effective to shoot Salmond

oldparwin wrote:"I want working visas for all the scottish immigrants down here!."

Thats a difficult one, now take me for example, born and raised in Scotland, when I was 29 I moved south, with my wife and 2 young daughters, 3rd daughter born in England, all 3 are now married to English men and all have kids of their own.

Are me and my wife entitled to vote in the referendum???
Are my 2 daughters born north of the border entitled to vote??


Or as you are suggesting 4 of us needs visa's to continue to live in England??

Would be more cost effective to shoot Salmond

Visas potentially not... although I think you should be quarantined for a while to ensure that the lunacy affecting Salmond isn't something in the blood of those born north of the wall.

LondonJonnyO wrote:

oldparwin wrote:"I want working visas for all the scottish immigrants down here!."

Thats a difficult one, now take me for example, born and raised in Scotland, when I was 29 I moved south, with my wife and 2 young daughters, 3rd daughter born in England, all 3 are now married to English men and all have kids of their own.

Are me and my wife entitled to vote in the referendum???
Are my 2 daughters born north of the border entitled to vote??


Or as you are suggesting 4 of us needs visa's to continue to live in England??

Would be more cost effective to shoot Salmond

Visas potentially not... although I think you should be quarantined for a while to ensure that the lunacy affecting Salmond isn't something in the blood of those born north of the wall.

Raises all sorts of questions - I was born in Scotland - moved down South in 1986, my kids were born in Scotland. I'm married to an Isle of Wight lady who's father was a Scot. Oh - and my Mother was English....

work that out

gwr-golfer wrote:

LondonJonnyO wrote:

oldparwin wrote:"I want working visas for all the scottish immigrants down here!."

Thats a difficult one, now take me for example, born and raised in Scotland, when I was 29 I moved south, with my wife and 2 young daughters, 3rd daughter born in England, all 3 are now married to English men and all have kids of their own.

Are me and my wife entitled to vote in the referendum???
Are my 2 daughters born north of the border entitled to vote??


Or as you are suggesting 4 of us needs visa's to continue to live in England??

Would be more cost effective to shoot Salmond

Visas potentially not... although I think you should be quarantined for a while to ensure that the lunacy affecting Salmond isn't something in the blood of those born north of the wall.

Raises all sorts of questions - I was born in Scotland - moved down South in 1986, my kids were born in Scotland. I'm married to an Isle of Wight lady who's father was a Scot. Oh - and my Mother was English....

work that out

re-education for the lot of you with the possibilty of deportation unless you agree to renounce Scotland and spit upon a portrait of Robert the Bruce.

Oh... and you have to nick a sheep from a scot and provide it to the English in order to say sorry for the sins of your forefathers.

"oldparwin ... Would be more cost effective to shoot Salmond

No need to waste a bullet ... just stick a pin in 'im and he'll burst!

See if you English guys don't start showing more respect to ' The best wee country in the world'




We shall withdraw all of our Scottish football managers in England.

Nice one Doon!

Best wee country? I hate that expression, especially as it is clearly compete bollocks.
We need a Lee Harvey McOswald to snipe Salmond from the Scott Monument shooting towards The Mound.

Why do many of the Scots like many Septics come across as way to overly patriotic is it due to an inferioty complex or something!

I'm not being biased towards any nation I can't stand any nation that overly flaunts the patriotism card whether they be English, scottish, yankee, nigerian or bloody outer mongolian, its complete crap.

If anyone care what nation your from are they really worth knowing! Every country is flawed and no-one is better than another