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Post by Mercurio on Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:15 am

Who will be voting for what?
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Post by Doc on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:03 am

The vote should be this year, not when it suits the slime ball and his dwarf fish munter
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:15 am

I say just give it to them. No referendum... no debates... just there you go and we're taking all our subsidies back. I'm sick of paying for lazy bastards.

In fact... I want independence for the south east.

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Post by Mercurio on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:20 am

Doc wrote:The vote should be this year, not when it suits the slime ball and his dwarf fish munter

I assume you'd be a 'no' voter, then, Doc?
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Post by Doon the Water on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:10 am

If it were QI we would all be waving our ? boards.
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:13 am

Doon the Water wrote:If it were QI we would all be waving our ? boards.

Assuming the question mark is a fill in the gap thing then:

If it were QI we would all be waving our begging from the english boards.
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Post by gaelgowfer on Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:13 am

I didn't think there was much chance of us voting in favour of independence before the eurozone crashed but now ... nae chance!

It would seem Cameron (guid scots name that Cool ) disnae want it either. Twisted Evil

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Post by Doon the Water on Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:54 pm

? on QI is 'Nobody Knows'
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doc on Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:44 pm

Mercurio wrote:
Doc wrote:The vote should be this year, not when it suits the slime ball and his dwarf fish munter

I assume you'd be a 'no' voter, then, Doc?

Merc to be fair I'm just a bit sick of listening to Salmond as he doesn't paint a real picture for the electorate up there. he's completley wrong about the oil thing, and we would save a huge amount of cash as the BBC would need to leave Scotland, which will hurt employment, HMRC, Border agency all cost millions which would no longer be needed.Education, health you name it we pay for it and therefore wouldn't need to anymore. We would lose Scotish taxes, but thats small compared to the billions we'd save, and would probably make Scotland a 3rd world country withing a short space of time. You cant have full independance and still expect money from the rest of the UK. Yes or No and if the vote is yes, then sorry Scotland.

I believe that its in the best interests of Scotland to vote no and stay within the UK, but the Scottish people need to see exactly what ramifications independance will mean to them. Salmond can't have his cake and eat it.
To make up for the loss of revenue Scotland would need to raise taxes on a big scale, which means attacking businesses, as they are at present regarding larger stores. Business would leave Scotland in droves including banks and many multi-nationals
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Post by Mercurio on Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:51 pm

I read the other day that the couple who won £161m on the Euro millions have donated £1m to the SNP.

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/snp_set_to_win_share_in_lotto_jackpot_1_1951801

It cheered me up knowing they are throwing their winnings away*.

*I instantly take a dislike to lottery winners who go public.
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Post by super_realist on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Mercurio wrote:I read the other day that the couple who won £161m on the Euro millions have donated £1m to the SNP.

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/snp_set_to_win_share_in_lotto_jackpot_1_1951801

It cheered me up knowing they are throwing their winnings away*.

*I instantly take a dislike to lottery winners who go public.

They should be shot for that, fat pikey scumbags.

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Post by gaelgowfer on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:26 pm

Doc ... Salmond is as slippery as they come. Still, he his head of the Scottish National Party whose whole raison d'etre for existence is to secure independence for Scotland so he can't very well back off from anything short of that.

Interesting that he's pushing for 16 year olds to get a vote on the referendum. He knows fine the grey vote would see him off.

I do have a confession to make though. I did once vote for the SNP but it was purely for tactical reasons. Scotland was a Labour stronghold and when Scotland got devolution, there was no effective opposition party to give them a run for their money and, sure enough, Labour kept getting voted back in. All that does of course is lead to complacency and corruption which, of course, in the fullness of time, it did.

I just hope the referendum fails and then the SNP can re-model itself as a genuine alternative choice to Labour and we can all settle down again ... together!

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Re: Scottish independence

Post by diggers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:32 pm

Ive no idea why any lottery winner would think going public was a good idea. One theory I have is that they come under some massive pressure from the Lottery companies, along the lines of "you may as well get it over and done", clearly the people they are dealing with are going to be a bit shell shocked and most of their advice will be coming from people like Euromillions who will have lots of "specialist advisors" on hand.
Clearly a happy couple splashed all over the papers, especially like the young one from Yourshire who won £45m last week with a wedding coming up, makes brilliant advertising for the lottery companies. Still amazed people agree to it though.
They wont be getting me to go public when I won my £50m though. I wont even tell anyone at work as clearly Id never give up my job.... Razz



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Post by super_realist on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:35 pm

You'd be too niggardly to buy a ticket Diggers Razz

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Re: Scottish independence

Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:35 pm

I must admit that I have always wanted to live in York on the basis of the following:

- In York, it is legal to kill a Scotsman within the ancient city boundary, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by diggers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:36 pm

super_realist wrote:You'd be too niggardly to buy a ticket Diggers Razz

Are you being a racist ?

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Re: Scottish independence

Post by BlueCoverman on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:38 pm

Careful you don't get an eight match ban using language like that super
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Post by super_realist on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:40 pm

Absolutely nothing wrong with that word Chaps. I'd expect Mac to get offended by it though.

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Post by diggers on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:41 pm

Nothing wrong with it when being used by an octogenarian or in a Dickens TV drama....

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Post by BlueCoverman on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:43 pm

LondonJonnyO wrote:I must admit that I have always wanted to live in York on the basis of the following:

- In York, it is legal to kill a Scotsman within the ancient city boundary, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.

Pleased to see that you have 'considered the legalities' LJ Wink
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:51 pm

diggers wrote:Nothing wrong with it when being used by an octogenarian or in a Dickens TV drama....

Or by Samuel L Jackson, Ving Rhames or any other person with a role in Pulp Fiction.
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:52 pm

Blue I also like this one:

In Chester, the Welsh are banned before sun up and after sun set
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Post by Doc on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:16 pm

gaelgowfer wrote:Doc ... Salmond is as slippery as they come. Still, he his head of the Scottish National Party whose whole raison d'etre for existence is to secure independence for Scotland so he can't very well back off from anything short of that.

Interesting that he's pushing for 16 year olds to get a vote on the referendum. He knows fine the grey vote would see him off.

I do have a confession to make though. I did once vote for the SNP but it was purely for tactical reasons. Scotland was a Labour stronghold and when Scotland got devolution, there was no effective opposition party to give them a run for their money and, sure enough, Labour kept getting voted back in. All that does of course is lead to complacency and corruption which, of course, in the fullness of time, it did.

I just hope the referendum fails and then the SNP can re-model itself as a genuine alternative choice to Labour and we can all settle down again ... together!

gael, if the referendum vote is no, then sureley it should follow that the SNP disband themselves. Its a fact that this referendum has been 300-years in the making, and also a big probability that it will be at least another 200-years before it can raise its head again. Last chance saloon for Salmond, he's had his day in the sun and once this over so is his career, except for the fact he'll be on the media circuit earning.
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:20 pm

Doc wrote:
gaelgowfer wrote:Doc ... Salmond is as slippery as they come. Still, he his head of the Scottish National Party whose whole raison d'etre for existence is to secure independence for Scotland so he can't very well back off from anything short of that.

Interesting that he's pushing for 16 year olds to get a vote on the referendum. He knows fine the grey vote would see him off.

I do have a confession to make though. I did once vote for the SNP but it was purely for tactical reasons. Scotland was a Labour stronghold and when Scotland got devolution, there was no effective opposition party to give them a run for their money and, sure enough, Labour kept getting voted back in. All that does of course is lead to complacency and corruption which, of course, in the fullness of time, it did.

I just hope the referendum fails and then the SNP can re-model itself as a genuine alternative choice to Labour and we can all settle down again ... together!

gael, if the referendum vote is no, then sureley it should follow that the SNP disband themselves. Its a fact that this referendum has been 300-years in the making, and also a big probability that it will be at least another 200-years before it can raise its head again. Last chance saloon for Salmond, he's had his day in the sun and once this over so is his career, except for the fact he'll be on the media circuit earning.

If he gets on the media circuit is there any chance we can get him to visit York late one evening?
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Post by gaelgowfer on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:30 pm

Doc ... that was why I used the word "re-model" but you may be correct. Trouble is, there's not much left that can offer a realistic alternative selection choice to Labour.

Ironically, devolution gave him a second career. I suspect I wasn't the only tactical voter when people realised that Scotland was looking increasingly like a one party nation.

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Post by Mercurio on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:35 pm

LondonJonnyO wrote:If he gets on the media circuit is there any chance we can get him to visit York late one evening?

To give a talk at an Archery club.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doc on Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:42 pm

Maybe an alternative would be for the people of Scotland to look at backing a party, which isn't waving red or blue flags. The SNP provided this to a lesser degree a few years ago, and we know what happened recently, and in a system that was 'fixed' to ensure no one party held power. The labour party rebranding itself as Scottish Labour isn't good enough, and the tories know that to their cost. The greens, liberals etc are all now defunct parties without a voice or mandate, and this is just the same down here. We know this because the electorate don't bother turning out anymore and when you think that a party can get elected because 30% of the vote went to them, yet only 30% actually turned out, it means a minute portion of the population voted for them.
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:01 pm

Doc that's all fine but doesn't address the actual issue.

Why should scots get a vote at all?
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Post by Mercurio on Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:42 pm

LondonJonnyO wrote:Doc that's all fine but doesn't address the actual issue.

Why should scots get a vote at all?

Whilst I don't want to lose the sweaties, I completely accept that they have a right to determine what happens to their own country. They are part of a union and it's not irrational for unions to break up.

It's like you questioning why the UK should be allowed a vote on EU withdrawal, should it ever happen.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:07 am

I look at it another way.

We conquered and nicked their country (one way or another) why give them a vote to determine whether they get it back and under what terms.

They are welcome to it of course... but there needs to be a period of handover so that we can redefine the continental shelf so that the oil is actually ours. Oh. And maybe nick the fishing grounds as well since we patrolled them and kept them safe from the even more evil icelandic cod-nickers.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doc on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:26 am

LJ I understand what you're saying as everyone in the UK should be asked to vote. Salmond would however love that, because there would be a massive majority in favour of allowing the Scots to go it alone. Theres a majority down here who see how the jocks use our money and don't like it. They also don't like a lot of the rhetoric about Scottish fans supporting anyone playing against England et al.

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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:31 am

There is that part of it Doc... however I would prefer to lump all of the less performant regions together and gain independence for the South East and London areas. That way we can stop subsiding the lazy gits in Liverpool, Hull, Wolverhampton and those run-down hell holes as well.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:33 am

If they had a referendum thet involved the whole of the UK then for me it should have 3 options -
1. Scotland runs independantly, no links to UK govt.
2. Stays as it is.
3. Scotland stays as part of the UK govt and loses current devolved rights.
I know what Id vote for.

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Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:34 am

LondonJonnyO wrote:There is that part of it Doc... however I would prefer to lump all of the less performant regions together and gain independence for the South East and London areas. That way we can stop subsiding the lazy gits in Liverpool, Hull, Wolverhampton and those run-down hell holes as well.

If we were going that far Id have to insist Essex was excluded for being full of flash wide boys and pikey scum.

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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:37 am

diggers wrote:
LondonJonnyO wrote:There is that part of it Doc... however I would prefer to lump all of the less performant regions together and gain independence for the South East and London areas. That way we can stop subsiding the lazy gits in Liverpool, Hull, Wolverhampton and those run-down hell holes as well.

If we were going that far Id have to insist Essex was excluded for being full of flash wide boys and pikey scum.

That's fine by me. I live inside the M25.
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Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:39 am

So do parts of Essex.

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Post by Mercurio on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:51 am

Doc wrote:LJ I understand what you're saying as everyone in the UK should be asked to vote.

I don't agree with that, unless you're suggesting the other countries in the UK would be voting to see whether we should kick Scotland out.
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:51 am

diggers wrote:So do parts of Essex.

True... but that would exclude a large powerhouse of the broker belt which exists around some of the Essex regions. As a cut-off for South-Eastern independence I would suggest from St Albans as the furtherest point north and Reading as the furtherest point to the West (to include the UK Silicon Valley comprising the industrial estate where Oracle and Microsoft have their HQ's)
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Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:17 am

No, Id still have to blanket ban Essex, but the barrow boy moneymen can still come and work in London as a compromise. And they wouldnt need passports as luckily everyone from Essex is orange.


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Post by gaelgowfer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:26 am

All academic. Everyone knows that rising tides will submerge everything south of the Thames. Don't come running to us! Twisted Evil

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Post by Doc on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:35 am

Mercurio wrote:
Doc wrote:LJ I understand what you're saying as everyone in the UK should be asked to vote.

I don't agree with that, unless you're suggesting the other countries in the UK would be voting to see whether we should kick Scotland out.

Merc thats exactly what I was alluding to. The breakaway of Scotland breaks the union, and as everyone in the UK is part of that union it should follow that we all get a say. Its our union, not the politicians toy. The feeling down south at the moment is to say goodbye to the sweaties and let them go it alone and use the money saved to sort out some of the prblems we've got down here. Eh our unemployment numbers would fall dramatically overnight as well. Laughing
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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:03 am

I shall address this in various parts:

diggers wrote:No, Id still have to blanket ban Essex, but the barrow boy moneymen can still come and work in London as a compromise. And they wouldnt need passports as luckily everyone from Essex is orange.


What about the risk managers and risk management consultant who tell everyone how to make sure the market doesn't blow up?

gaelgowfer wrote:All academic. Everyone knows that rising tides will submerge everything south of the Thames. Don't come running to us!

Not a problem. We'll use the money we got back from bailing out the scottish banks to dig a series of waterways which empty into the disused pits in the north turning them into something useful again. The saviours of the only part of the country which generates money.

doc wrote:What doc said!

What doc said.
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Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:12 am

Yes, Im sure that risk managers only live in Essex. Why wouldnt they after all. Lets face it they havent been doing a very good job lately anyway. Shoot them all.

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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:14 am

As it happens a friend of a friend was the risk manager at UBS when that bloke did all the dodgy trading that the risk team failed to pick up on.... FIRED!
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Post by diggers on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:15 am

Was he from Essex ?

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Post by LondonJonnyO on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:16 am

Surrey. The new one is from Essex I am given to understand. Proper Geeza the new one. lol!
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doon the Water on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:25 am

You are all forgetting a very important issue.

How does this affect The Eurovision Song Contest?

Gael summed up how many Scots feel and I would add that many folk in Scotland have been pleasantly surprised with the way the SNP have run the country so far.
So its No for independance and yes for the SNP if that makes any sense.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doon the Water on Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:19 am

I see Dave has signed an agreement regarding sharing Nuclear power with the Frenchies. Proposals are to build four new reactors in the UK.

Given the SNP's stance on no nuclear sites in Scotland I wonder where he is considering siting these new power plants.
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Re: Scottish independence

Post by gaelgowfer on Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:34 am

Perhaps that's what Cameron meant when he said that if Scotland voted against independence, he'd give us more power!!!

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Re: Scottish independence

Post by Doon the Water on Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:16 am

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