Forum Rules - do we need them?

[Davie]

Or do we work on the presumption that we are all adults and shouldn't NEED rules for a place like this?

I'm not sure we need loads of rules about not insulting each other, no harassment, no illegal activities or racist/homophobic posts - those should all be common sense and are covered by the terms and conditions of joining anyway

Admins (and mods?) will deal with anything out of order on a case by case basis anyway

What about other rules?

Jot any down here that may need discussing - I think for the moment we should follow 606v2 (spit) on the images rule and allow then but only within spoiler tags to keep the place work safe

Any others need discussing?

[LondonJonnyO]

I'm not sure we need loads of rules about not insulting each other, no harassment, no illegal activities or racist/homophobic posts - those should all be common sense and are covered by the terms and conditions of joining anyway

I would like a blanket exemption on racism when such comments are directed at the french.

[Mercurio]

We don't need any rules.

If anybody does anything out of line, a word in their shell-like will suffice. If there remains grievances thereafter, we should send the matter to the Court forum for resolving in front of 5 judges.

In this respect, I'd like to nominate myself as one of the judges

[LadyPutt]

I think we're all adult enough to be able to sort things out for ourselves. I'd like to think so, anyway.

Can I be a judge too? Or perhaps I could administer the corporal punishment - suitably attired, of course ......

[Maverick]

Agreed any comments toward wine drinking, cheese eating surrender monkeys (the franch) should be allowed!

Not sure we need a host of rules, I think direct attacks and racism can be easily resolved amongst the admin team once we know who that is but I think done in a grown up manner no red pens or openly stating schoolboy pm's.

My idea of the Rules
1. You must talk about Golf chat to anyone you meet
2. As above
3. The french should be ridiculed at every chance

[Davie]

LP - I'm shocked!

[Maverick]

Actually the judges thing aint a bad idea

[LondonJonnyO]

In the case of judges... whilst that's not a bad idea I don't think they should be 'appointed'. In each case where people are involved in a spat/distasteful posting/whatever I think a panel should be selected from those not involved in order to determine action.

In addition by involved I mean those who are posting to 'calm down' as well as the primary pugalists.

[JDandfries]

Rules should not really be needed, i am sure we can all give (and Take) a bit of light hearted banter, and that need not be sanitised.

However, I trust the MODS we have, wont turn into Premandonas and will deal appropriately with anything untoward!!

BUT Lets all remember, we ARE all different, and ones person's humour is different to the next!

[Mercurio]

In the case of judges... whilst that's not a bad idea I don't think they should be 'appointed'. In each case where people are involved in a spat/distasteful posting/whatever I think a panel should be selected from those not involved in order to determine action.

In addition by involved I mean those who are posting to 'calm down' as well as the primary pugalists.

Good call, LJ. I agree.

[Doc]

Judges sound good to me, but we don't need to get bogged down in silly stuff. Lets face it guys, the problem on the darkside was down to admin intervention. We never really had any issues with missusing the forum, or attacking anyone other than keizo. Yes there was the odd disagreement, but it worked well without intervention, because all members were grown up, intelligent people. We asked to be left alone, but we were told to shut up and comply or die. Well we didn't comply so here we are.

I for one will be extremely pissed off if we don't take this opportunity and do it right. Long live the revolution.

Put me on the judges circuit please, so I can prove that power doesn't corrupt

[JDandfries]

I think it can be self policed Doc, we all are adult enough to know if we step out of line, but in reality, I can't remember any situation when it really did, until Adam and his merry band of meglomaniacs got involved!

[navyblueshorts]

It would be nice to think everyone is an adult but there's been enough recent illustrative examples to suggest this isn't always going to be the case. There will need to be some sort of Rules but most of them should be common sense. Quite like LJ's suggestion re. an ad hoc panel for a given 'crime'.

Whomever is going to act as Admin/Mods, will have to make sure they're utterly non-biased regardless of whom they're being asked to deal with.

[Mercurio]

It would be nice to think everyone is an adult but there's been enough recent illustrative examples to suggest this isn't always going to be the case.

Indeed. Another reason to keep McLaren off.

[Maverick]

Do we have any MODs yet? Do we really need them couple of Admins just to make sure site runs should do.

Then LJ's idea of judges on case by case basis that are not involved should work a treat

[Doc]

I think it can be self policed Doc, we all are adult enough to know if we step out of line, but in reality, I can't remember any situation when it really did, until Adam and his merry band of meglomaniacs got involved!

I agree JD and I even asked the other place to leave us alone, but we all know what happened. Every time admin got involved all hell broke loose. The admin's here are different obviously, but anyone who transgresses the simple rules is easy to deal with. Just don't reply to their thread, simple as that, and they'll see that they've obviously upset the natives. They can then either sulk or post a small apology ....

[Mercurio]

Just don't reply to their thread, simple as that, and they'll see that they've obviously upset the natives. They can then either sulk or post a small apology ....

That's a good point, Doc.

If there are disagreements (which there will be), if things are said in the heat of the debate it is very important, after it's blown over, for those involved to apologise if some of the words spoken were over the line.

Without an apology, resentment builds and will eat away at the bonhomie of the forum.

[navyblueshorts]

It would be nice to think everyone is an adult but there's been enough recent illustrative examples to suggest this isn't always going to be the case.

Indeed. Another reason to keep McLaren off.

Takes two to tango Merc.

[Mercurio]

It would be nice to think everyone is an adult but there's been enough recent illustrative examples to suggest this isn't always going to be the case.

Indeed. Another reason to keep McLaren off.

Takes two to tango Merc.

I'm not keen on apologists.

[hogie]

I personally think it is best to have rules you could even use the rules from the previous place. However it is how the rules are enforced that will separate this place from V2.

[drive4show]

Why don't we have a sticky for public apologies? There may be times when more than one person is upset/offended and one public apology may be better than lots of PM's etc.

But hopefully, it will very seldom be used!

[LondonJonnyO]

I shall start on that front.

I am sorry for revealing that your tache made you look like a ginger Fidel Castro.

[drive4show]

Why don't we have a sticky for public apologies? There may be times when more than one person is upset/offended and one public apology may be better than lots of PM's etc.

But hopefully, it will very seldom be used!

[drive4show]

Interestingly, I see that JPX posted on the darkside that we are already fighting amongst ourselves.

Wonder how he worked that one out, I've certainly not seen any evidence.

[Davie]

Not sure what he means by that!

[Mercurio]

Interestingly, I see that JPX posted on the darkside that we are already fighting amongst ourselves.

Wonder how he worked that one out, I've certainly not seen any evidence.

Who is JPX?

[Doc]

Interestingly, I see that JPX posted on the darkside that we are already fighting amongst ourselves.

Wonder how he worked that one out, I've certainly not seen any evidence.

Well lets see ...... the rules thread is now the biggest and we don't seem to have agreed anything. So for me Davie and the boys should just say that for now THESE ARE THE RULES. Reviewed in one week, end of

[drive4show]

Doc

I thought that we had agreed that anyone who steps out of line is taken outside and 'worked over' by a panel of judges?

[venice1]

I personally think it is best to have rules you could even use the rules from the previous place. However it is how the rules are enforced that will separate this place from V2.

I second your thought, hogie.

If the number of members were to remain at the current level, we'd be able to police ourselves. Don't think it's realistic to maintain civility with hundreds without a standard set in place. I trust that the mods here (Davie and Mav) are more than qualified to do us justice while showing the proper amount of restraint as they had exhibited at the last place.

" by drive4show on Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:08 am
Interestingly, I see that JPX posted on the darkside that we are already fighting amongst ourselves.
Wonder how he worked that one out, I've certainly not seen any evidence."

Gotta luv it. For some, there's a dark cloud in every silver lining. I wonder if there was any snickering to go along with that cynicism.

[Del_Boy]

not fussed on rules - they are usually made to be broken.

[Maverick]

Not sure how on gods earth JPX has decided were infighting but qont give him the time of day to even justify a comment further than this.

Site rules imo should be minimal so I think they shouldn't outweigh the number of fingerd we have so I'd propose these:

1. No racism ( comments against the french are not racist)
2. No openly attacking another poster
3. No profabities openly aimed at another poster
4. WUMs will be subject to moderation if they persistently offend (e.g Keizo type wind ups)
5. Swearing is not a crime, in context can be used as were adults but excessive use of profanities where not required would be moderated
6. Limited number of stickes to include, Tour updates, eclectic & game today thread + fanatasy league when we get our own one running (only exceptions to be announcements)
7. New posters to introduce themselves so that existing posters can welcome them
8. Anything off topic goes in the off topic section
9. Anything outside of the above deemed offensive is subject to a court of judges that are picked at random having had no prior involvement, but any outcome will be posted in open forum so nothing is done behind closed doors against members wishes or to keep anything from members
10. Play within the spirit of the forum and enjoy the chat and banter

That's all I'd expect

[LondonJonnyO]

rule 7 should be scrapped. Cant enforce that one.

[Davie]

4 is the only one I'm not comfortable with - it all gets too subjective. Besides, as I frequently pointed out on the other place, the Keizo threads often generated good debate (not to mention, banter)

People can choose to ignore a Keizo type thread - or they can debate it, but to moderate it (as long as it doesn't break any other rules) is, IMO, wrong

[Mr Kaymer]

Interestingly, I see that JPX posted on the darkside that we are already fighting amongst ourselves.

Wonder how he worked that one out, I've certainly not seen any evidence.

Why do we care what someone else says? It's time to move on from the past and head into the future. Im happy with any rules set

[drive4show]

Not sure how on gods earth JPX has decided were infighting but qont give him the time of day to even justify a comment further than this.

Site rules imo should be minimal so I think they shouldn't outweigh the number of fingerd we have so I'd propose these:

1. No racism ( comments against the french are not racist)
2. No openly attacking another poster
3. No profabities openly aimed at another poster
4. WUMs will be subject to moderation if they persistently offend (e.g Keizo type wind ups)
5. Swearing is not a crime, in context can be used as were adults but excessive use of profanities where not required would be moderated
6. Limited number of stickes to include, Tour updates, eclectic & game today thread + fanatasy league when we get our own one running (only exceptions to be announcements)
7. New posters to introduce themselves so that existing posters can welcome them
8. Anything off topic goes in the off topic section
9. Anything outside of the above deemed offensive is subject to a court of judges that are picked at random having had no prior involvement, but any outcome will be posted in open forum so nothing is done behind closed doors against members wishes or to keep anything from members
10. Play within the spirit of the forum and enjoy the chat and banter

That's all I'd expect

11. Mav to use a spellchecker

[JDandfries]

7 is a good idea, but not as a rule.

Have a sticky, New Members say hi thread, we should all post some details about us.

Age, area, handcap, etc etc

[Maverick]

Welcome thread it is then scrap rule 7.

4 is the hardest to enforce! But is workable if its made subject to report from other users and can then be refered to the judging panel. If say we get the same person create 3 threads that are reported for WUMmery then that means it goes out to the court!

[JDandfries]

I agree with most, but i think WUM threads are easily self policed, I think the whole court thing may smack of heavy handedness that we wanted to avoid?

[Maverick]

I agree with most, but i think WUM threads are easily self policed, I think the whole court thing may smack of heavy handedness that we wanted to avoid?

Fair point.... How about the rest of rules theybok with all

[Mercurio]

I agree with most, but i think WUM threads are easily self policed, I think the whole court thing may smack of heavy handedness that we wanted to avoid?

I proposed the Court Forum for incidences after quiet words had taken place but there were still grievances felt.

It wasn't just to prosecute but to give individuals the opportunity to defend themselves (unlike a forum I used to post on).

[LondonJonnyO]

Merc you would have been tried and convicted in any kangaroo court worth it's salt.

[ChrisGG]

Not sure how on gods earth JPX has decided were infighting but qont give him the time of day to even justify a comment further than this.

Site rules imo should be minimal so I think they shouldn't outweigh the number of fingerd we have so I'd propose these:

1. No racism ( comments against the french are not racist)
2. No openly attacking another poster
3. No profabities openly aimed at another poster
4. WUMs will be subject to moderation if they persistently offend (e.g Keizo type wind ups)
5. Swearing is not a crime, in context can be used as were adults but excessive use of profanities where not required would be moderated
6. Limited number of stickes to include, Tour updates, eclectic & game today thread + fanatasy league when we get our own one running (only exceptions to be announcements)
7. New posters to introduce themselves so that existing posters can welcome them
8. Anything off topic goes in the off topic section
9. Anything outside of the above deemed offensive is subject to a court of judges that are picked at random having had no prior involvement, but any outcome will be posted in open forum so nothing is done behind closed doors against members wishes or to keep anything from members
10. Play within the spirit of the forum and enjoy the chat and banter

That's all I'd expect

Could have a different section for fantasy leagues?

[smithersjones]

How about a rule that none of the ads can carry sound?

[Davie]

I wish we could implement that one SJ!

Sadly as a free forum we don't have control over adverts

[smithersjones]

I wish we could implement that one SJ!

Sadly as a free forum we don't have control over adverts

They're starting to really get on my tits now. Most appear to be virus invites more than legitimate ads. Can't we do what they did on the dark side and get our own?

[MustPuttBetter]

SJ, i think if you do that you have to recompense Forumotion for the loss of advertising revenue. Which means we will have to stump up the money or someone will have to do the work to attract other adverts to provide the money

[smithersjones]

SJ, i think if you do that you have to recompense Forumotion for the loss of advertising revenue. Which means we will have to stump up the money or someone will have to do the work to attract other adverts to provide the money

OK, maybe in the new year Davie will pull his finger out then?

[MustPuttBetter]

SJ, i think if you do that you have to recompense Forumotion for the loss of advertising revenue. Which means we will have to stump up the money or someone will have to do the work to attract other adverts to provide the money

OK, maybe in the new year Davie will pull his finger out then?

Don't even get me started on that guy...........

[Davie]

Oi! Shut it Rudolph

[MustPuttBetter]

Damn it, I didn't know you were listening!

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