D-Day for Belly Putter
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D-Day for Belly Putter
The USGA and R&A will hold a joint teleconference on Wednesday announcing a decision on the anchored putter.
The end is nigh.
The end is nigh.
SetupDeterminestheMotion- Posts : 554
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No. The end is just starting. The players have already stated they will take legal action. Which is a joke.
LondonJonnyO- Posts : 862
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Legal Action ????
Against who ???
If they don't like the rules, don't play......simples.
If they don't play, they can't break the rules.........simples.
Against who ???
If they don't like the rules, don't play......simples.
If they don't play, they can't break the rules.........simples.
SetupDeterminestheMotion- Posts : 554
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I'd better hide all the sharp implements if this happens!
Mary_S- Posts : 1274
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There have been numerous players stating that they will take it as far as they can in relation to being allowed to use them.
LondonJonnyO- Posts : 862
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Bradley is distancing himself. "I never said I would sue"..
SetupDeterminestheMotion- Posts : 554
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Tiger Woods and 92% of Daily Telegraph readers think it should be banned. The nation has spoken!
Mary_S- Posts : 1274
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Yes but Telegraph readers should be shot on general principles.
LondonJonnyO- Posts : 862
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Much angst it seems from various quarters about the decision
My only beef is why has it taken them so long!
My only beef is why has it taken them so long!
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So the putters remain legal, which isn't a surprise, how they are used is being changed.
Some good pictures on the R&A website of permitted and prohibited stroke styles. Looks like Kuchar and Cabrera are okay and the likes of Simpson and Scott will have to change.
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Anchoring/Prohibited-And-Permitted-Strokes.aspx
Some good pictures on the R&A website of permitted and prohibited stroke styles. Looks like Kuchar and Cabrera are okay and the likes of Simpson and Scott will have to change.
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Anchoring/Prohibited-And-Permitted-Strokes.aspx
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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They have clearly become more widespread in the pro game but how many are using them (broomhandle or belly) at club level? I can think of three at our place.
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Jethro- Posts : 79
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I heard someone say yesterday that many juniors are using them at club level? Seems strange unless they see it as a bit of a fashion accessory.
Doc- Posts : 1083
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Doc. It's nothing to do with having the yips, it's down to making a statement. Another very good reason for the "anchored" use to be banned. It seems the 14-yr-old Koren lad who has qualified for the Masters uses one.Doc wrote:I heard someone say yesterday that many juniors are using them at club level? Seems strange unless they see it as a bit of a fashion accessory.
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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A bit strange really that the long putter has not been more popular in the amateur game, given that 3 out of the last 5 majors have been won by players using them. Is it just because we can't fit them into the back of our cars? And yet when the latest driver comes out that allegedly gives an extra 5 yards distance we all rush to spend 300 quid on it...
BlueCoverman- Posts : 2943
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Speak for yourself! I wait until the next model comes out and then look to pick the last one up as a bargain - have you seen the latest price of the TaylorMade R11S now that a new one is on the horizon?BlueCoverman wrote:And yet when the latest driver comes out that allegedly gives an extra 5 yards distance we all rush to spend 300 quid on it...
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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Yes it's really cheap LP, but that is only because the new one hits the ball so much longer and straighter...
BlueCoverman- Posts : 2943
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It's amazing how superlatives are overtaken by subsequent events, isn't it?
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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It's the wonders of modern science of course...
BlueCoverman- Posts : 2943
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Doc wrote:I heard someone say yesterday that many juniors are using them at club level? Seems strange unless they see it as a bit of a fashion accessory.
We certainly haven't had this yet, our junior section is not huge but a good number are in the county squads and none of them uses anything other than a standard length putter.
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Jethro- Posts : 79
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LadyPutt wrote:Speak for yourself! I wait until the next model comes out and then look to pick the last one up as a bargain - have you seen the latest price of the TaylorMade R11S now that a new one is on the horizon?BlueCoverman wrote:And yet when the latest driver comes out that allegedly gives an extra 5 yards distance we all rush to spend 300 quid on it...
Same here LP. I am in the market for a new 5 wood and even they have been reduced by a decent amount over the past couple of weeks or so. Now I wonder if Ping will follow ...
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Jethro- Posts : 79
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There's a couple of long putters knocking about with the old guys at my club. We don't have any belly putters because I think they've all gone past the optimal belly size stage
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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1GrumpyGolfer wrote:There's a couple of long putters knocking about with the old guys at my club. We don't have any belly putters because I think they've all gone past the optimal belly size stage
Now you know that is complete and utter poppycock 1GG!
It is a well known, medically proven phenomenon: the depth of the naval, increases proportionally with the circumference of the girth. Thus providing the perfect anchor point for a belly putter. The bigger the girth, the deeper the naval, the more secure the anchor. 'Ye canna break the laws of physics Cap'n.' QED
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oldshanker- Posts : 390
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I suppose they could revert to a regular size putter and get the same benefits O/S
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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1GrumpyGolfer wrote:I suppose they could revert to a regular size putter and get the same benefits O/S
It all depends - in that case length is everything!
oldshanker- Posts : 390
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Keegan Bradley got heckled at the Tigger Tournament yesterday, being branded a cheater for use of the belly putter. The USGA issued a statement today about it saying it's legal and rules changes relate to the future not the past. They went on to say that nothing will be taken away from those that used anchoring as a putting technique and they deplored the actions of the uneducated.
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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Outrageous that the galleries should do something like that. It's all OK on a forum like this to jokingly refer to "cheat sticks" etc but not on the course FFS.
The long putters (much as I hate them) are still legal for now
The long putters (much as I hate them) are still legal for now
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Typical of the idiots who attend TW events just to shout and scream every time he hits the ball. They know nothing about golf!
Interesting he still calls it a "world" challenge when virtually everyone in the field (apart from GMac, Poulter and Jason Day) comes from the US of A
Interesting he still calls it a "world" challenge when virtually everyone in the field (apart from GMac, Poulter and Jason Day) comes from the US of A
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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The PGA Tour had a player meeting over the decision last night. Thanks to Kwini for the news. Much ado about nothing is the general consensus of the outcome of the meeting.
http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/finchem-players-have-meeting/?mid=343&rid=641253&source=email
http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golftalkcentral/finchem-players-have-meeting/?mid=343&rid=641253&source=email
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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I don't read it as that, Grumps. My interpretation is that they don't like it but don't want to say so in public! Rather a lot of fence sitting going on.
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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Sorry, LP badly worded on my part. It was a dig aimed at the media. My point was they had a meeting, but no one would say what was really going on so what was the point of reporting on the meeting. There was no news of anything new so to speak so it was all conjecture, speculation and sensationalism by the press to stir it up again.
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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I see what you mean ...
LadyPutt- Posts : 1049
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As anticipated the PGA Tour have notified the R&A and the USGA that they are against the ban on the anchored putting stroke. Finchem announced this during the WGC Matchplay final, however it was already communicated to both parties prior to his press conference. Over to you R&A and USGA.
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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Dim Tim is just a politician and on the one hand he says there should only be one rules body in golf, which have served golfers for over a century, then he says but one slight rule change that not everyone agrees with won't rock the boat. Grow some Tim and bring your troops into line.
I don't see loads of am players over here using the long putters, yet Dim Tim quoted 60% in the USA, and at least 50% of college kids using them. Is that true?
I don't see loads of am players over here using the long putters, yet Dim Tim quoted 60% in the USA, and at least 50% of college kids using them. Is that true?
Doc- Posts : 1083
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This will just cause chaos.
Will you need to setup two different world rankings, one with Anchors & one without ??
Would Anchors be invited to play in The Open ?
What would happen with the Ryder Cup, Anchors aweigh ??
Will you need to setup two different world rankings, one with Anchors & one without ??
Would Anchors be invited to play in The Open ?
What would happen with the Ryder Cup, Anchors aweigh ??
SetupDeterminestheMotion- Posts : 554
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The R&A and USGA have just confirmed the anchoring ban. Over to you Tim ...
Jethro- Posts : 79
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I just got this email from the USGA:
Over to the Mars Bar salesmen for a response. Be interested to see what the Champions Tour reaction is.
May 21, 2013
Dear USGA Member:
The USGA cherishes its strong relationship with our Members, and we appreciate the support you provide in helping us lead the game toward a sustainable future. Your membership bolsters the critical mission of the USGA in many important ways and has helped to make the game more enjoyable for golfers of all ages and skill levels.
Recognizing the role that you play in all we do to protect and nurture the game, we want you to be among the first to know about an important announcement.
Last November, after an extensive review, the USGA and The R&A proposed Rule 14-1b, a new entry to the Rules of Golf that prohibits anchoring the club in making a stroke. This morning, together with The R&A, we are announcing the adoption of Rule 14-1b for players at all levels of the game, effective January 1, 2016.
Final approval of Rule 14-1b follows a comprehensive and unprecedented process for playing Rules in which comments and suggestions from across the golf community were collected and considered. In our best judgment and having considered all of the input that we received, both before and after the proposed Rule was announced, we concluded that Rule 14-1b was necessary to protect the essential nature of the traditional method of stroke and eliminate potential advantages that anchoring the club provides.
Throughout the game's 600-year history, the essence of the traditional method of golf stroke has involved swinging the club with both the club and gripping hands held away from the body, requiring the player to direct and control the movement of the entire club. Anchoring one end of the club against the body, and creating a point of physical attachment around which the club is swung, is a substantial departure from the traditional swing. Our judgment, based on tradition, observation and experience, is that anchoring creates an unacceptable risk of changing and reducing the challenge of making a golf stroke.
The new Rule does not alter current equipment standards and allows for the use of all conforming golf clubs, including mid-length and long putters, provided such clubs are used in a non-anchored manner. The Rule narrowly targets only a few types of strokes in which the club is anchored, while preserving a golfer's ability to play with a variety of permissible gripping styles, putter types and swing methods.
The effective date of January 1, 2016, at the start of the next four-year cycle for revisions to the Rules of Golf, provides an extended period in which golfers currently using an anchored stroke may adapt their method of stroke, if necessary, to conform to the requirements of the new Rule.
We know that not everyone will agree with our final decision. However, we hope the new Rule will bring to a close the longstanding, controversial debate about anchored putting and its place in the game. Of equal importance, we hope that those who have expressed concerns know that they have been heard; can understand our reasons for concluding that Rule 14-1b is in the best interests of the game; and will now join with us in assisting any golfers who need help moving to a non-anchored stroke.
Recognizing that you may have questions, and that you may also want to share this information with fellow golfers, we have developed videos, images, graphics and other materials that are available at www.usga.org/anchoring to help you become more familiar with the specifics of Rule 14-b. We have also provided a comprehensive document that explains the basis for our final decision and addresses the primary questions and concerns voiced by those who expressed opposition to the new Rule.
Thank you for your support and passion for the game as we continue to serve all golfers around the world and work to secure the health and traditions of the game for current players and for future generations.
Sincerely,
Glen Nager / Mike Davis
President / USGA Executive Director
For the good of the gameĀ®
Over to the Mars Bar salesmen for a response. Be interested to see what the Champions Tour reaction is.
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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So the PGA Tour will accept the ban on anchored putting and will implement from January 1, 2016. In a statement they said:
This could be interesting seeing as that will be part way through a season. Also, not sure why amateurs should have extra time to follow the rules as I don't think it's like the driver COR rules.
"In making this acknowledgement, the Policy Board also passed a resolution strongly recommending, along with the PGA of America, that the USGA consider extending the time period in which amateurs would be permitted to utilise anchored strokes beyond January 1, 2016."
"PGA Tour competitions are conducted in accordance with the USGA Rules of Golf. However, the Policy Board reserves the right to make modifications for PGA Tour competitions if it deems it appropriate."
This could be interesting seeing as that will be part way through a season. Also, not sure why amateurs should have extra time to follow the rules as I don't think it's like the driver COR rules.
1GrumpyGolfer- Posts : 3782
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Why would the PGA Tour be interested in what Amateurs do ??
Surely the R&A & USGA will define that.
Surely the R&A & USGA will define that.
SetupDeterminestheMotion- Posts : 554
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Clearly the old farts running the PGA Tour can't putt properly themselves.
smithersjones- Posts : 249
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Maybe just aligning themselves with the PGA so if it comes to it they can break away? Or maybe this is the start of bifurcution by the backdoor or for abandoning the rule later. Pros abide by the ban but amateurs don't have to, like the COR ruling or grooves, pros then say we're going back to anchoring because amateurs still can.
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Last I heard yesterday was that Adam Scott is going to law and isn't happy. Well Adam you got a few quid out of your long stick when your game had collapsed, so its not all bad mate. Look at it another way, who would have won the Masters if you had a proper putter
Doc- Posts : 1083
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1GrumpyGolfer wrote:.....bifurcution by the backdoor.....
Ooooh - Errrrrr Missus!
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